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Post by puckotred on Aug 26, 2016 11:02:07 GMT
I mounted frames 10 to 14 the other day and discovered today that there is something wrong with frame 9. I have seen drawings where it seems to be a small curve inwards here but not as severe as this? I wonder if frames 9 and 10 maybe have been switched in production or planning? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
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Post by Peter Jenssen on Aug 27, 2016 0:40:16 GMT
I would wait and check the fairing with a plank, to see if this frame is the part at fault. Part p2 looks completely straight, perhaps this part is mainly a strengthening piece and not to be planked against? Hard to tell without the plans.
Looking great though, getting quite large. What's the final size?
Cheers, Peter
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Post by Peter Jenssen on Aug 27, 2016 5:46:13 GMT
Ah, I see. Difficult to say what is wrong. I'd probably wait until all frames have arrived to try to correct anything. Is there a sketch of the full framing? It has a couple of odd features that at least I don't quite understand. The frame numbering seems a bit strange too. Looks like after frame 9, there is one frame and then 12,13 and 14 follows?
Cheers, Peter
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Post by puckotred on Aug 27, 2016 10:38:44 GMT
Hello Peter, Final size is 109 cm long and 86 cm in height. The numbering of the parts are a little odd yes, but they are numbered after assembly. So part 9 and 10 are frames, part 11 is the 3rd part of the keel, 11a is the reinforcement of the keel joint and then 12,13 and 14 are the frames on that. Frame 10 is on the left side of number 9. If 9 and 10 change place the curve would be smoother. (Outside part of reinforcement P2) Also the inner shape of the frames indicate that 9 and 10 should change place: All frames up to 8 have this little shelf, then 9 is straight and 10 has the shelf again. 12,13 and 14 are again straight. (red elipses = shelf, black = straight.) So, anyone building this, do not glue frames 9 and 10 in place until this little problem is solved. And yes, I should have seen this before I assembled and glued them but I was blinded by the otherwise excellent quality of the kit.
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Post by Peter Jenssen on Aug 29, 2016 7:13:52 GMT
Perhaps scaling up the museum plans and use these to check where the error is? It does look strange. I would be hesitant to sand down this frame until you have the whole picture.
Cheers, Peter
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Post by fredhocker on Aug 30, 2016 10:54:29 GMT
It does look like there might be a numbering error here. You can dryfit and then check with a small batten if the planking would run fair.I will look at my pieces to see if there is a clue there.
I have not begun my kit yet, wanted to wait until I had all of the hull framework so that I could check the pieces an fit and find stuff like this!
Fred
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Post by puckotred on Aug 31, 2016 7:35:39 GMT
Thanks for the input peter and Fred. If you look at the top view photo from my last post you see the gap that presents itself when I lay a strip of planking along the frames. The blue line is the curve suggested by the reinforcements #P2.
Unfortunately I have glued the frames in place so they won't come loose without severe damage. If frames 9 and 10 is to change place I will have to try and copy the shape somehow and reshape. I have contacted Edition Atlas who have contacted the main office in Switzerland, who hopefully will contact DeAgostini, who maybe in turn will contact Artesania latina....
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Post by Peter Jenssen on Aug 31, 2016 10:10:59 GMT
I can see it, I wouldn't try to debond it anyway until decided what to do. Which glue did you use? For CA, acetone might help. For white glue, brush bond with water multiple times until it softens, I suspect new parts without the error would be rather unlikely? Perhaps best to sand/pad once all frames have arrived?
Good luck!
Cheers, Peter
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Post by puckotred on Aug 31, 2016 10:39:58 GMT
I used aliphatic water resistant wood-glue on the frames and AC on the deck (#D3) so it's well done I'm afraid . I've been thinking I might try and get AL to send me just the outer parts of frames # 9 and # 10 (9a and 10a) then I could glue them next to the old frames and sand down the old #9. IF the problem really is a numbering error.
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Post by puckotred on Sept 7, 2016 7:32:41 GMT
Seems as I was wrong about frames 9 and 10. The slot they fit into on part D3 (deck) does not allow switching frames. DeAgostini may have some purpose with the wider frame...
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Post by passer on Oct 7, 2016 5:48:22 GMT
Hello
I have now got all the parts for the keels so I am about to start my build. I have to say that the metal decorations so far are very good. I have a question about gilding, were the lion heads on the gun ports gilded or just painted?
Br Jörgen
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Post by Peter Jenssen on Oct 7, 2016 6:13:56 GMT
Hi Jörgen,
The inside of the gunports were painted red, the lion masks were painted a tawny yellow with red mouths and white teeth. Not gilded.
Cheers, Peter
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Post by passer on Oct 7, 2016 8:09:22 GMT
Thank you Peter. Little sad they didn't were gilded. Had looked very nice I think . Br Jörgen
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Post by Peter Jenssen on Oct 7, 2016 9:04:14 GMT
The figurehead lion was guilded, as were the two lions holding the shield on the stern. Also various other details such as the hair of some figures for example. Enjoy your build.
Looking forward to following it!
/Peter
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Post by thomasr on Jan 31, 2017 15:57:59 GMT
Hello Fred,
I have sometimes a question. The subscription of the Wasa of DeAgostini appears in Italy. And recently also in Poland. There is from tomorrow the fourth issue. The subscription or the technical execution does a very good impression on me. I am interested very much in it. Today I had contact about email with DeAgostini Germany. There one said to me that the Wasa does not appear in Germany and nothing is also planned from that point of view. Why not? Are there some problems? How can one acquire, nevertheless, this subscription in Germany?
The best greetings
Thomas
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