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Post by Clayton on Sept 17, 2013 13:44:09 GMT
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Post by ulises on Sept 18, 2013 14:28:36 GMT
Clayton. Weren't the shrouds and ratlines and standing rigging in general, in Vasa tarred?
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Post by Clayton on Sept 18, 2013 19:42:23 GMT
I think we had this discussion on the Vasa group not too long ago. If I remember right, the short answer is that there is no evidence of tar on the fragments of standing rigging that survived. I did almost all things on my model a certain way because there was some sort of evidence. Vasa was a brand new warship, and maybe there were plans to tar the standing rig later.
Clayton
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Post by Clayton on Sept 19, 2013 23:35:07 GMT
A slideshow that summarizes this project:
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Post by ulises on Sept 20, 2013 21:27:21 GMT
I think we had this discussion on the Vasa group not too long ago. If I remember right, the short answer is that there is no evidence of tar on the fragments of standing rigging that survived. I did almost all things on my model a certain way because there was some sort of evidence. Vasa was a brand new warship, and maybe there were plans to tar the standing rig later. Clayton Dang! a Bit too late. But I will not undo what I've done with my dark brown standing rigging so far.  |
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Post by karleop on Aug 21, 2014 18:34:58 GMT
Hola Clayton: Although I just joined this forum, I have several months checking it and seeing the Vasa pictures you put into your website. Really a fantastic job!!! I start with Vasa (Billing Boat) model about 8 months ago and although I had some problems with the Kit instructions generally I have solved them Now that I'm starting with the rigging I see some differences between Corel and BB instructions so I would like to know your opinion. The placement of the lines that appear in the posterior part the masts: are they Forestays for support (BB) the masts or they are the lines that hold the yards (Corel). In the pictures you can see 2 of the sets I already made     Thanks in advance for your comments. Saludos, Karl |
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Post by Clayton on Aug 25, 2014 0:46:05 GMT
Thank you Karl!
I am not sure that I understand what you are asking though.
Clayton
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Post by karleop on Aug 25, 2014 15:19:32 GMT
Hola Clayton Sorry about my poor English and nautic nomenclature. Hope I can this time be more specific showing you some images. In the Corel instruccions there is only one rope to hold the yards:  But in BB instructions there are two: one to hold the yards (L12 and L17) and another (that I called wrongly forestay but I don't now the exact name) that apparently maintains the masts in position (R1 and R2)    Hope to make my point more clear. Saludos, Karl |
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Post by fredhocker on Aug 26, 2014 6:52:49 GMT
Hi Karl,
On the Corel instructions, the two lines you have highlighted are the halliards for the topsail and topgallantsail (the halliard is the line used to hoist the yard and sailup the mast). They show the topgallant halliard as a complex arrangement of crowsfeet and lead blocks, which is one option, but it was also possible for it to be a simple tackle that led down to the top. The main topsail and topgallantsail are rigged in a similar fashion, except that the main topsail halliard goes straight to a knighthead in the deck, at the after starboard corner of the gratings.
The BB instructions are, quite frankly, very confusing, correct in some details but wrong in others. The lines marked marked L12 and L17 are the topsail and topgallant halliards (in this case the topgallant halliard is rigged as a simple tackle, although setting it up in the upper top might be a little tricky), while the complex arrangemnt R2 is effectively a foretopgallantmast backstay, a line for which there is no evidence in this period. I would not include this line. R1 appears to be a topmast backstay, similarly anachronistic, but it might be the fall of the topsail halliard, which would be set up this way on the foremast.
Does this help any?
Fred Hocker
Vasa Museum
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Post by karleop on Aug 26, 2014 18:54:07 GMT
Hola Fred:
Thank you very much for your answer, as you said the BB instructions are very confusing, and although the pictures of the Clayton´s model as the one 1:10 scale model at the Vasa museum are very helpful, some details of the rigging are difficult to discern.
However it lets me with a doubt, you said "while the complex arrangement R2 is effectively a foretopgallantmast backstay, a line for which there is no evidence in this period. I would not include this line", apparently this arrangement is shown at the 1:10 model and in both kit models (Corel and BB). Am I right or I did not understand correctly?
Saludos from the Gulf of California, Mexico. Karl
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