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Nov 25, 2020 17:24:41 GMT
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Post by tromp on Nov 25, 2020 17:24:41 GMT
I have just tidied a bit here. I have blocked all users that have spammed the forum up but I don't know how to install only members contributing here. I need to drop in more regularly.
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Post by tromp on Jul 4, 2020 9:42:56 GMT
In Wolfram zu Mondfeld's book "Historic Model Ships" is a plan of Vasa's longboat. I have the German Edition from 1990 and the plan is on page 210. It consists of a side elevation, a longitudinal section, a top view, a bow- and stern view and a cross section. Frames are included in the bow- and stern-views.
Peter
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Post by tromp on May 24, 2020 13:42:03 GMT
But were remains of black paint actually found on the carriages, Fred?
Peter
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Post by tromp on May 24, 2020 13:40:48 GMT
That indeed looks very smart, the Airfix Vasa is certainly a sound basis for a good representation of the ship. Whoever is responsible for the Airfix Classic Ships series, clearly know what he's doing!
Peter
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May 24, 2020 13:37:14 GMT
Post by tromp on May 24, 2020 13:37:14 GMT
Indeed there is still a bit coming in at the time, last week was pretty bad. I try to drop in at a daily basis to clear them out but that doesn't always work. Last week we got a few spams in one day. I am by no means an IT expert, there must ne a way to make people register at the forum before posting messages.
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Post by tromp on Dec 25, 2019 10:12:55 GMT
Hi Hans,
I could imagine that they were in natural Wood, possibly lightly tarred. If they were painted in any colour this would have been widely publicised by now. I believe the 1:10 scale model in the museum also has the carriages in natural wood.
Peter
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Post by tromp on Dec 25, 2019 10:07:35 GMT
Thank you Martyn, Happy Christmas to all here from me also and a Happy New Year.
Peter
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Post by tromp on Dec 1, 2019 14:05:35 GMT
Yes, that is correct, the outer ends of the spars are to be shaped as shown in those instructions. Peter
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Post by tromp on Nov 18, 2019 7:15:44 GMT
Thanks for your input Fred.
bela : Spars = Stengen; Caps = Eselshäupter.
Peter
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Post by tromp on Oct 27, 2019 9:36:29 GMT
Thanks Martyn.
So at this stage we have all card templates in the required size with the decks and wales marked in blue. The next step is to cut out the decks. For this I made a second "Little Gadget" however, with an eight mm step. The size of the step is really irrelevant, as this part of the Frame will be removed from the hull at a later stage.
I will plank the decks using three mm pearwood so this needs to be removed from the templaters too:
So now the templates are ready to transfer the bulkhead-shapes to wood. I'm using 6mm birch-ply for the bulkheads and eight mm for the keel-plate:
The first step is to draw the centerline of each bulkhead onto the plywood and then the waterline in blue. I also marked the loaded waterline on the card templates in blue. Then the bulkhead outline is drawn onto the plwood.
When the first half is done, the template is flipped over at the centerline an the other half drawn. To make out the waterline on the blank side, it was also notched with a knife on the printed side which then enabled me to position the flipped template accurately. The marks for the wales also need to be transferred to the plywood.
Thus we have a complete bulkhead drawn on wood. Still some final details need to be added.
I then drew all waterlines onto the bulkheads and also marked the wales further into them
The final step is add the slot for the keel-plate. First 8mm are marked to the centerline, 4mm on each side:
And then the slot completed.
This gives us the first bulkead ready to be sawn out.
Thanks for checking in - more soon.
Peter
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Post by tromp on Oct 23, 2019 16:28:37 GMT
Thanks for your interest folks! So by now we have all bulkhead-templates glued to cardboard and cut out. The next step will be to mark the position of the upper decks. I don't want to get too carried away with adding interior detail that won't be visible once the hull is done, so all I need to do here is to transfer the upper deck-edge and also the deck curvature to the card template. The deck curvature can be found in the waterlines and frames plan:
It is the same process used when marking the hull's top-edge to the templates. Each bulkhead is placed onto its station line in the side elevation on the frames and waterlines plan, and lined up using the waterlines a guides:
As we have such a mass of black lines and curves, I marked the deck levels in blue which makes it easier to find them when I need them.
This here is the card-template which I use to transfer the deck curvature to the bulkhead or frame-templates. The top edge is used as a ruler.
Here the bulkhead and deck-templates are held against a straight-edge and the deck drawn onto the bulkhead in blue.
Here close-up:
This needs to be carried out on all frames: Marking the position using the side elevation and then drawing the deck edge with the curve-template.
I decided to use three mm pear-wood for the hull planking so this needs to be cut-off from the templates. To do this I use this little gadget:
Two layers of thin sheet-styrene are glued to each other forming a three mm step at one end. Then using the little gadget as a guide three millmeters are drawn onto the outer edges of all bulkhead templates.
This needs to be done for the decks as well - but not yet.
So then the three mm strip is cut off from each bulkhead.
The next step was to draw all waterlines and frame stations to the side elevation.
This is to transfer the wales to the card templates and eventually to the wooden bulkheads of the model. It is important to do this now with care, as it is very difficult to determine the wales' correct position once the basic hull has been built.
Then, like before by placing each template at its station line on the side elevation the position of the wales are marked
And finally transferred to the outer edge of the template where we need them:
As I said before these tempales are to be flipped at the centreline when transferring them to wood, so these marked wales need to be visible on the opposite side as well. To achieve this each wale is notched with a sharp knife:
Which makes the position of the wales perfectly visible on the other side:
Stay tuned! There's plenty more to come!
Peter
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Post by tromp on Oct 21, 2019 20:15:38 GMT
Hi all!
Here I'm going to show you how I'd build a 1:50th scale hull of the Vasa, this is step1. Using this method a model in any scale can be built but I chose this scale as I'm hoping to use the Chinese sculpture set in the same scale. Other projects I'm working on have higher priority so updates will appear here at irregular intervals.
How I got started: I had fifteen copies of the frames plan made and bought some cardboard and glue in a spray can.
Then the sheets with frames are glued to the cardboard...
... and carefully cut out. Only templates of half of each frame are required, as the template flipped over along the centerline will then serve for the opposite side. You'll see what I mean when I get there.
The top edges of the frames are then marked with the template placed onto the side elevation. Here frame 26. Note the pencil mark at the top edge of the hull.
This has to be done on each frame, here frame eighteen.
At the pencil mark a line is then drawn along the top edge of the template:
And then the top edge cut off.
Completing the process on all frames determines the top edge of the hull. I intend to plank the hull with approx. 4mm pear-wood, thus this 4mm has to be cut off along frames' outer edges. I'll show you how I do that in the next update which should be soon.
Regards Peter
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Post by tromp on Oct 7, 2019 19:08:15 GMT
Hi Martyn, the best you can do is to purchase books and plans. This rigging plan in Lanitzki's book "Die Vasa von 1628".
but you would need further material to understand it. The side-profile from the museum would help, but you would also have to learn the terminologie. I also have th side-views of the plan above but These are some seven or eight Sheets, so nothing really that can be attached as a PDF-file.
Peter
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Post by tromp on Oct 6, 2019 12:17:00 GMT
Hi Jules, good to hear from you again! You've, seen the model yourself, so you know what it's like. Though we managed to figure out a lot while we were there, it very soon became clear: we're going to have to go back. More than once! Like I said: I'll keep you posted. Regards, Peter
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Post by tromp on Sept 27, 2019 3:01:36 GMT
I too, had the opportunity to examine the STAM model in Gent. As this model was most likely built around the same time as the Hohenzollernmodel my hope was to clear questions that are still open on the HZM, though it cannot be examined closer as the HZM simply doesn't exist anymore. We were permitted to handle the model and to take photographs and measurements. My main objective was to get inside the model. As large deck-areas can be removed it was easy for us to get in there with mobile-phones and small cameras but not everywhere. This is down inside the hold looking aft: There is a sense of neglect but also of simplicity. It is said that at one stage the keel was seriously damaged which caused it and the hull bottom to distort. There are only a few knees and riders, where there should be one at nearly each deck-beam. These images were taken down through the main cargo-hatch as I could get in there with my mobile-phone. This next image was taken down the same hatch, looking to port and slightly forward: And here Looking forward: Unlike the Hohenzollernmodel there is no galley down here and no sleeping accommodations. We noticed that the STAM model isn't as well built as the HZM. Now let's move up to the great cabins. One question that I hoped to get answered was what the inside of the stern looked like. The surpsing answer was: it is planked. This is far and away the best picture, and the most important, that was taken on this session. I'm sure Jan (Amateur) won't mind me posting one of his pictures here: The picture was taken inside the great cabin looking aft. The following Pictures are from the starboard-side quarter gallery. We could only just get in there with our mobile-phones but weren't able to move the cameras around anymore. We could only take this Image looking forward (at the ceiling): ...and this one looking aft (at the toilet) This is inside the captains cabin looking aft. Note the two gunport and that the inside of the stern is planked: And the next two views are inside the trumpeteers cabin. No bunks, no furniture just a bare room. It rather gives me the impression that it was for convicts and not musicians. This image is looking aft towards the port side: And this is the port side looking slightly forward: This interesting fella here is the cable-hatch lid: And here from underneath: The bunks only consist of walls and not the bunks themselves: We were there for a whole afternoon. Road-traffic on the way there wasn't on our side. It took as five hours to get there. At best it can be done in three. We were exhausted but soon realised: we're going to have to go back. Clearly we got some questions answered, but being there and looking at the photographs afterwards brought up many additional questions. In general we can say that the model isn't as well built and detailed as the HZM. It was most likely built by another workshop. Sadly it has been bashed about with a great deal during the past decades. I'll Keep you posted. Peter
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