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Post by Clayton on Sept 22, 2013 17:03:31 GMT
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Post by janv on Sept 22, 2013 17:52:11 GMT
this looks also perfect as usual with your builds. this will be a challenge for the 1:75 builders to scratchbuild such a long boat. I will use your pictures in combination with my pictures and notes made in Stockholm last year
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Post by Clayton on Sept 22, 2013 19:17:54 GMT
Thanks! It is not exactly perfect though. I will be interested in seeing your 1:75 scale version.
Clayton
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Post by Elchomator on Jan 6, 2015 16:33:22 GMT
Hey hey!
I have just been to the museum and afterwards kept wondering why the longboat sank as well? Does anybody have an answer? Thanks in advance from the elk :-)
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Post by Clayton on Jan 10, 2015 6:24:00 GMT
Hi!
I would think that since the longboat was being towed it had a tow line which was secured fast to Vasa, and the force of the ship going down simply pulled the longboat with it.
Fred might have a better answer, but that is my best guess.
Clayton
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Post by Roger Pellett on Feb 23, 2016 4:49:53 GMT
A great looking model, skillfully built. Where did you get the drawings?
Roger Pellett
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Post by fredhocker on Feb 23, 2016 7:53:31 GMT
What a lovely model! I like the skewed bottom planks, nice touch. The longboat (esping in Swedish) was being towed alongside the ship, on the port side, when the ship sank. When the ship heeled over it pushed the longboat down, and then dragged it to the bottom. The longboat had another boat, a small clinker boat, inside it, probably lashed to the thwarts upside down. Five of the thwarts and the windlass were removable, so that the boat could take larger loads, such as cannon or anchors. which is why there are no knees on them.
Fred
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Post by Clayton on Feb 23, 2016 11:00:09 GMT
Thanks Roger and Fred!
I got the drawings from Fred. Like for a lot of things, if you would like them he could probably supply you with them if you sent him an email.
And I have read that the windlass is why they know this is Vasa's boat for sure, since the windlass was not found in the boat but onboard. And when they tried fitting it in the windlass bearings, it fit.
Clayton
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Post by vladfs on Feb 23, 2016 14:20:19 GMT
Excellent work!!! She`s looking fabulous!
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Post by alexander on Feb 23, 2016 17:59:11 GMT
Very nice work, Clayton!
One question regarding the outlook of the boats. Maybe Fred can anwer it: The longboat appeares pretty artless. I think the longboat was much older than the brandnew Vasa. Are there any ideas, if the boat was painted or did they improved the boats to assimilate the boats to the outlook of Vasa? Maybe the gunwale was painted red?
Cheers, Alexander
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Post by Peter Jenssen on Jun 27, 2016 12:37:56 GMT
The longboat looks great Clayton! No picture from underneath? Did you install the skeg? (I remember we were discussing this back in the Yahoo forum days)
cheers, Peter
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Post by Clayton on Jun 29, 2016 21:01:01 GMT
Thanks!
I am not sure of evidence of paint on the longboat. Surely a question for Fred.
And Peter, I installed a sternpost but no rudder. And on my model at least, I think the lower edge of the sternpost more or less forms a skeg, if you are talking about a skeg meaning an aft extension of a keel. I don't think there is an actual keel on Vasa's longboat.
Clayton
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Post by Peter Jenssen on Jun 29, 2016 23:31:50 GMT
Hi Clayton,
As I understand it, the skeg is about 3m long and tapers off to nothing forward. There may also be a corresponding one meter piece at the stem, tapering off aft.
There was one discussion in May 2010 when you were building yours (titled "Longboat") and another one in July 2009 (titled "Vasa 'storbåten'")
Perhaps I can save Fred some typing by copying over the info to this forum?
Quote: " We have the skeg, which is a piece of oak 3.09 meters long, 150 mm deep and 100 mm wide at the after end. It tapers slightly in width from the upper surface to the bottom edge, and tapers away in depth to a feather edge at the forward end. It was nailed to the bottom, with an iron strap let into and wrapped around it about 190 mm from the after end, with the ends of the strap continuing up the sides of the sternpost. We have not located the piece that fairs the lower end of the stem into the bottom yet, but the nails I can see suggest is was much shorter, maybe only a meter of so long, and probably tapered to a feather edge as well. The after piece is not mounted on the boat, as it would greatly complicate the support structure, and does not yet appear on any drawings, since it was identified after we had completed documentation of the boat. We are planning a new support frame, which will allow us to mount the skeg, and I hope one day to find the forward piece in the stores, but it may not have been recovered.
Fred Hocker "
Back in 2009, I was working on lofting the Esping in AutoCAD with the view to laser cut the parts, then I lost access to AutoCAD when I swapped computer. My laser cutter and my digital ship plans have not been touched since. The last thing I did with this gear is the Vasa rudder... There's a well progressed Chapman frigate drawing, 'Camilla' as well.. -in files that I can not use. Anyone have recommendations for software that can read AutoCAD files without costing an arm and a leg..?
Cheers, Peter
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Post by Clayton on Jun 30, 2016 15:06:53 GMT
Ah. I guess not then!
I just built the flat bottom like the original, attached the stem and sternpost, framed it and planked it, then added internal details. The skeg as a separate piece did not find its way to my model.
Clayton
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Post by Peter Jenssen on Jul 1, 2016 0:48:33 GMT
A great looking model, skillfully built. Where did you get the drawings? Roger Pellett Hi Roger, I cannot see them on this site, but there are two PDFs on the old Yahoo groups site, under groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SwedishWarshipWasa/filesREGALSKEPPET WASA 1628 STORBÅTEN, by Sverker Söderholm, Eva-Marie Stolt and Lennart Nilsson (one says Eriksson, probably wrong) one contains the lines and the other is a top view and a side view plan. Hope this helps? Cheers, Peter
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