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Post by barnowl on Sept 9, 2016 9:42:38 GMT
Thanks Fred
I've read your helpful comments above ref the bottom paint. But could you clarify whether is just the planking below the waterline that's (probably) white, or should the keel be white as well (i.e everything below the waterline).
Thanks
Terry
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Post by fredhocker on Sept 12, 2016 6:42:15 GMT
The options, according to documented accounts of naval practice, are to paint everything below the waterline with a dirty white color (to mimic the tallow-based coating) or to paint the bottom brown with a whitish boot topping. Once the ship was in the water, it was only rarely that the entire bottom was painted, since there was no way to haul the ship and it had to be careened to reach the keel. The area around the waterline was regularly cleaned and tallowed, so there should be a lighter stripe at this point on ships in service. Up to you how "old" you want your model to look. Airplane and armour modellers are in some sort of feverish competition to develop ever more complicated ways to make their models look ever more dirty, used and battered, but ship modellers seem to prefer a clean appearance.
Fred
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Post by barnowl on Oct 31, 2016 12:37:45 GMT
Hi All
Hopefully a quick one: can somebody let me know the approximate diameter (and also the approximate vertical/horizontal spacing?) of the bolts used to attach the hull planking to the underlying structure (as per what is visible on the outside of the hull) - I'd like to augment a Billing model with this detail if poss.
Then possibly a slightly longer one, mainly for Fred, perhaps: Fred, you made references a while ago to Vasa plans posted to this forum (albeit ones which you said will be updated in Vasa II). But I can't find them (found one - "2_b sidovy.pdf", but no others. Can anybody point me to the correct posting.
Many thanks to all
Terry
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Post by Peter Jenssen on Nov 1, 2016 0:20:31 GMT
Hopefully a quick one: can somebody let me know the approximate diameter (and also the approximate vertical/horizontal spacing?) of the bolts used to attach the hull planking to the underlying structure (as per what is visible on the outside of the hull) - I'd like to augment a Billing model with this detail if poss. Hi Terry, I'm afraid it's a bit more complicated than that. The bolts are not for attaching the planking, they are mostly for attaching knees, riders etc to the inside of the hull. Not very reglar pattern at all. The planks themselves are attached with treenails which are not very visible. I used to have a diagram showing a small section of the hull and the various fasterners used. Sorry I cannot find it now. Here's one I found in Google search showing the 1/10 scale model et the Vasa museum: www.designdestinations.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/DSC_1196-1200x700.jpgCheers, Peter
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Post by fredhocker on Nov 21, 2016 7:50:42 GMT
Hi Terry, The bolts had more or less hemispherical heads about 50-55 mm in diameter, so on the Billing model they will be a little less than 1 mm in diameter. As Peter notes, they are not disposed in regular lines but reflect the internal arrangement. There are 28 stations along the hull where the deck structure (beams, knees and riders) is attached to the hull, which produce vertical groupings located between the gunports, plus horizontal lines at each deck where the waterways are bolted through the sides (one bolt between each pair of beams). I attach to this post a plot of the bolt heads on the exterior of the starboard side to give you an idea of distribution. Fred
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Post by barnowl on Nov 23, 2016 12:21:28 GMT
Hi Fred
Many thanks for that. Very helpful, although somewhat daunting!! Think I might try and pick a smaller subset to actually implement, just to give a reasonable impression and more interest?
Terry
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