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Post by alexander on Dec 12, 2015 9:22:58 GMT
Working at the lantern Here are the results of two days of work with lathe, carving knives and files. Provisionally mounted at the stern, it looks like this: The design of Landström seems to me as enormously heavy. All over golden I can imagine the lamp is too dominant. Maybe I'm going to the roof copper or anthracite to make it look visually slightly smaller. Cheers, Alexander
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Post by fredhocker on Dec 14, 2015 8:57:06 GMT
Alexander, I agree that Landström's design is pretty heavy, and I am not sure that it fits the style of the rest of the stern that well. We also do not have any sculptural pieces anything like what he shows, so I wonder if the lantern was not so elaborate, more of a glazed house for the lights. Having the roof of the lantern and its finial mimic the cupolae on the quarter galleries is a possibility, but in that case I would expect the bottom to look more like the lower part of the gallery. The glass panes are probably rectangular, about 150x100 mm (we have a lot of fragments of glass this size)rather than the diamond shape BL shows. You have the mounting exactly right.
I would not worry about Landström's color suggestions, we know that the ship has much less gold leaf than he shows. Almost all of the railings and applied mouldings on the stern are done in bright yellow or pale yellow, so this makes sense for the mouldings on the lantern. If the lantern roof mirrors the gallery roofs, it should be red.
I will be curous to see what you come up with, your guess is as good as mine!
Fred
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Post by alexander on Dec 16, 2015 11:41:27 GMT
Thanks, Fred! Your idea to use red at the lamp is to me a little bit surprising, but I like the idea more and more the longer I think about it. But also yellow will mirror very good the colour sheme of the stern which changes from dark and blue tones below to brighter colours at the top. If you mention the house of light: Do you mean the French-style baloon-lamp for example shown at this etching? But another question, Fred: Do you think the winged angels fit with the visual program of the Vasa? I wonder if the angels are a more catholic faith and so they are a little bit out of place for Vasa. would it be better to cut the wings? The lantern I rebuilt now a whole lot smaller with two angels. Everything is only temporarily stuck with mounting glue, so it still looks a bit wild. Now I head to the glass panes. Regards, Alexander
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Post by fredhocker on Dec 17, 2015 8:03:15 GMT
Alexander,
We do not have any winged angel figures elsewhere on the ship, but we do have lots of mermaids!
Fred
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Post by alexander on Jan 17, 2016 12:51:48 GMT
Meanwhile, Hong Kong has provided the acrylic glass surprisingly quickly and in perfect quality. I cut the acrylic and imitated provided with "lead glazing". According to the notes by Fred, the size of the glass elements are 10 x 15 cm in the original. The "lead glazing" has been slightly milled with circular saw (0.3mm blade) and draw with a black finepen Inside the lanteen according to the Landstöm design a small 3-unit candle with 3 wicks made of fine wire The acrylic glass I have stuck in the framework made of fine brass-4-edge with Microscale Microclear. It is very stable which I tested involuntarily with several drop tests of the finished lantern. ;-) First I tried a red painting of the lamp. This I changed into gold paint (Humbrol). Looks a bit more pleasing. The optical qualities of the House of Light are convincing. Overall, the lantern is well managed. During assembly but the shock: The proportions were no longer correct! I had cut the hat and the lower part of the Lantern each 5 mm against the Landström design. Thus, the lamp has now become too wide with the figures. What do you think? In a next step I wanted to redo the female figures without wings and make them thinner. Here again Landströms design for comparison: Regards, Alexander[/b]
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Post by reinhard on Jan 17, 2016 14:58:45 GMT
Hey Alexander, the lantern with the winged figures is beautiful. I really like it and the pictures of construction are very helpful. Certainly I will take your report as inspiration for my model. I'm curious about your final result.
Cheers, Reinhard
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Post by fredhocker on Jan 18, 2016 18:31:50 GMT
Hej!
I like the way the glass and lead caming worked out, very convincing. I also like the shape of the roof with its vents. It is very possible that the roof was covered in copper sheet, which could then have been gilded, so the gold is a reasonable possibility.
The winged angels are a pure fabircation by Landström, we do not have any other figures like that anywhere on the ship. We do have a lot of very skinny herms and caryatids. If you wanted the top of the lantern to resemble the tops of the cupolae on the galleries, then there would be skinny herms along the corners of the roof, rather than on the sides of the lantern.
I think that the overall size is pretty good. We will have to consult you when we start working out the full-sized reconstruction!
Fred
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Post by alexander on Jan 19, 2016 7:45:33 GMT
Thanks for your answers, Reinhard and Fred! I don't know if there is enough space at the roof of a lantern to place figures there but I want to rework the female figures to make them more skinny and remove their wings. So hopefully that fits better. At another forum these lanterns of the Rijksmuseum were posted, which maybe had been the inspiration for Landströms draft. Cheers, Alexander
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Post by alexander on Jan 29, 2016 10:41:12 GMT
My third variant of the lantern loooks pretty good after all. Meanwhile I got the anchors ready. If you compare their size and wight, it seems incredible, that they should be able to hold the whole ship. Regards, Alexander
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Post by fredhocker on Jan 29, 2016 14:07:28 GMT
Spanish anchors were even lighter!
Fred
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Post by vladfs on Jan 29, 2016 18:53:11 GMT
Alexander, perfect work about lantern and anchors.
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Post by Clayton on Jan 31, 2016 3:56:26 GMT
Very nice work Alexander! And I like the little candles in the lantern.
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Post by alexander on Jan 31, 2016 10:32:52 GMT
Thanks, Vlad and Clayton!
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Post by reinhard on Feb 4, 2016 4:17:44 GMT
Hey Alexander, can you tell me the size/dimensions of your lantern (height, diameter, size of a "glass" sheet, size of figure, etc)?
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Post by alexander on Feb 4, 2016 9:27:17 GMT
Hi Reinhard
if you can pass me your email-adress via PN I could send you the drawing.
Cheers, Alexander
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