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Post by tromp on Apr 19, 2018 16:15:15 GMT
My research has led me to believe that Frame 17 is missing from the Wagner plans in the book completely. What is labelled as 17 at the bow frames should actually be 21 and 17 at the stern Frames should be 13 (though it could also be missing 15 too). If you flip both halfs of 17 from the book on top of each other you will see they don't line up. My cad-programme tells me that the Anstieg at Frame 17 in the detailed cross section by Winter is 10°, on my model it's 11.
Kind regards Peter
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Post by tromp on Mar 7, 2018 4:45:29 GMT
Hi Bernd, good to hear from you, welcome to the club! I am also 57 years old and I'm also from Germany. I had never heard of a Modelspace Vasa so I googled a bit and found out that it is apparently the DeAgostini Vasa. Have you subscribed the model? Where do you get it from? Regards Peter
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Post by tromp on Mar 5, 2018 20:16:40 GMT
Hi all,
something has been puzzling me for a while now which I would like to explain to you. Perhaps someone can shed some light on this. First of all here's a rare image of the Hohenzollernmodel with the Stern transom removed. Though over-exposed it gives us a splendid view of the cabins.
According to the drawings and the description in Heinrich Winter's book, the ground Elevation and the longitudinal section look like this.
Heinrich Winter writes that the rear-most cabin of the officer's quarters is a large favored sleeping cabin with four bunks (actually there are six, but we'll ignore that). What strikes me is that there are two seperate doors right next to each other leading to the same room. Looking at the ceiling behind the vertical wooden Strip one can make out shades that might lead one to believe that there was some sort of partitioning deviding this room into two. However, after discussing this in the German Forum and from what Winter writes, it is one large room. I come from architecture and was in that branch for more than a decade and I can tell you that two doors right next to each other, leading from the one room into the same room is simply not on! The only explanation I have is that perhaps the room was meant to be devided into two by means of canvas partitions hung up on the deck-beams. These are also mentioned in the book of the unlucky voyage of the Batavia. On a side-note: if you look at the bottom edge of the cut-out in the historic photo above you can just make out the rounded tops of the doors leading to the quarter galleries.
Regards Peter
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Post by tromp on Feb 8, 2018 17:48:37 GMT
It seems that in Indonesia boats are still being built as decribed by Nicolaes Witsen www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSyLAyrsqdgIt makes me wonder if they got it from the Dutch or the Dutch got it from them. Peter
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Post by tromp on Feb 3, 2018 20:38:04 GMT
Hi all, I recently acquired the book "Dutch Warships in the Age of Sail 1600-1714" by James Bender. In it I found this image: The caption says it's the VOC Yard in Amsterdam around 1650. It is very difficult to make out from which angle we are looking at the ship. No doubst the spaces between the frames are yet to be filled with further frames. The frames that are in place tilt heavily towards amidships. This is possibly an exaggeration which we frequently see in baroque art. On the German Forum it was said that these aren't the Frames at all but the structure of some kind of temporary roof to shelter the unfinished ship. I don't think this is the case though. Any ideas? Many thanks in advance. :-) Peter
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Post by tromp on Jan 26, 2018 13:54:58 GMT
Looking good! Is that the rigging thread that comes along with the kit?
Peter
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Post by tromp on Jan 11, 2018 8:14:00 GMT
That's lovely! Something you can be really proud of!
Peter
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Post by tromp on Jan 7, 2018 21:16:58 GMT
Registered! :-)
Peter
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Post by tromp on Jan 5, 2018 20:59:27 GMT
Thanks for that Jan. I'll Keep an eye on updates and will register as soon as it is possible.
Peter
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Post by tromp on Jan 4, 2018 15:42:37 GMT
That is great News! I'd love to join in. Do you think you might have some space for this beast? Peter
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Post by tromp on Nov 12, 2017 15:51:30 GMT
Thanks for that Fred, that lines up with what was also suggested on the German Forum. Though there is certainly something beneath the grating on the port-side, the starboard-side seems empty. Regards Peter
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Post by tromp on Nov 7, 2017 16:58:13 GMT
Hi all,
another lively debate has popped up on the German Forum because of another observation on the Hohenzollernmodell. I'm hoping that perhaps Fred, or someone else here has seen something similar on other ships can can explain this.
Here's a Picture of the grating of the head of the Hohenzollernmodel, it can be seen that a little square piece highlighted in yellow could be removed. The opening where it belongs when closed can be seen in front of it:
In the Image above the large square can hardly be seen through which the mainstay led is covered by the small grating a various ropes, so it is completely obscured. This was way too cluttered for anyone to reach down there let alone climb down there.
Here's my Rendering of the grating of the head, the removable part is highlighted in green:
The obvious question is: what was this for. The measurements of this opening were only 30 / 50cm, thus way too small for anybody to climb down in there. I believe that the green grating was possibly removed just to reach something in there.
In this picture it very much looks like there was something in the head beneath the grating, directly underneath the removable part, perhaps a block or something to assist heaving the anchors or so.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Peter
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Post by tromp on Sept 12, 2017 16:54:52 GMT
Thanks for that Fred. At this time I won't completely rule it out as being shipbuilding practice the way it can be seen in the pictures of the model. But on the other Hand, perhaps it was just a simplification on the model. But then again the modelmakers who built the Hohenzollernmodel added so much detail that was hidden once the model was finished, why would they want to cheat on a detail like that?
Regards Peter
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Post by tromp on Sept 11, 2017 16:36:41 GMT
Hi Fred and everbody else here,
I've been here before with questions that came up while researching the Hohenzollernmodel from 1665 and now I have another question. In the image below I have marked a binding strake with yellow arrows pointing towards it. There is clear evidence that on the Hohenzollernmodell you only found these binding strake alongside gratings. Wherever a grating ends, the binding strake ends too. Normally one would imagine that bindings strakes would run the entire length of the deck; I believe it's like this on Vasa too.
The red arrows point to where one would expect the binding strake to continue but there's nothing there. Fred, have you ever observed something similar on Dutch wrecks? Or is this just a simplified way of doing it on a model?
Thanks for looking in
Peter
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Post by tromp on Aug 28, 2017 16:13:51 GMT
Hi everyone, l just begin to Wasa from Billing boats and noticed that the cannon ports must be upgraded. I will be appriciated If any body can help me for this matter.
Hi, perhaps this might help: warshipvasa.freeforums.net/attachment/download/198
Peter
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